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Xenomortis · Feb 27, 2011, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Looked it up and you're right. The evolution did go the other way. It's odd because the reverse is happening in the US; cities spelled XXXtown are falling into being pronounced XXXton.

Yes, we all know how Americans are with language.

Mashiyu · Feb 27, 2011, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Wald is a German word meaning Forest and is pronounced "vald". A v in German is pronounced differently however (more like an f).
I believe the German localisation of the game turns "Echovald Forest" into simply, "Echowald".

the pronounciation of V in German is inconsistent - sometimes "v" sometimes "f" - depending on the word. And yes, "Echovald Forest" is just "Echowald" in German. And the shields are Echwald-Schilde (only in PvE, the PvP-shields are spelt correctly.)

Btw: How do you pronounce Urgoz? with "-s" or "-ts"?

HigherMinion · Feb 28, 2011, 12:26 AM // 00:26

Urgoz is UrgoZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Lyra Padfoot · Feb 28, 2011, 09:34 AM // 09:34

Ah thats where Ive been going wrong - I though it was the Remains of the Salad Jar....

HigherMinion · Feb 28, 2011, 10:12 AM // 10:12

Random Arenas?

Ran-dumb? It would explain alot... Especially my own presence there.

Outerworld · Feb 28, 2011, 10:55 AM // 10:55

Tbh i don't even try to pronounce the canthan words now since it always leads to an utture failure.

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Originally Posted by HigherMinion

Random Arenas?

Ran-dumb? It would explain alot... Especially my own presence there.

Yes...yes it would

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Nekodesu · Feb 28, 2011, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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Originally Posted by -Vodka-

Xunlai - Zun-lye ?
Tahnnakai - Tan-ak-eye

What about these:
Mhenlo: Men-low?
Cynn: Sin?
Acolyte Sousuke?? So-suke? Swa-suke?
Nahpui Quarter? Na-poy?
Palawa Joko?

Guild Wars - g ild worz?

Might be easier for me to pronounce these words right, since I'm not english. English people and/or people with a definitive accent seem to have alot of trouble pronouncing certain words.

Tahnnakai - Tah na kai
Mhenlo - M hen lo | Me henlo | Menlo
Cynn - Cynn (Exactly how you write it, just pronounce it with a C)
@Chthon: Sousuke - This is a japenese name and is pronounced sas ske, it's not pronounced so su ke, it's either sas ske or sos ske. Full Metal Panic
Nahpui Quarter - Nah Pui (dunno why that one is hard

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Palawa Joko - Pala wa jo ko or some just say Pallawa joko

MithranArkanere · Feb 28, 2011, 01:18 PM // 13:18

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Originally Posted by Nekodesu

[...]Sousuke - This is a japenese name and is pronounced sas ske, it's not pronounced so su ke, it's either sas ske or sos ske.[...]

Sasuke (サスケ or 佐助) is a DIFFERENT name than Sousuke (宗介).

And it's nor pronounced 'sas ke'. It's 'sa su ke'. The 'u' in Japanese can sound almost mute in some words and accents, but it's pronounced anyways.

onerabbit · Feb 28, 2011, 01:42 PM // 13:42

Nahpui Quarter - Ive always said Naphui so the ph makes an F sound, so Nafui. Na Fu E.

Never really taken the time to pronounce things right, i look at a word, say it in my head and thats what sticks, i hardly look at it twice lol.

Lupu · Feb 28, 2011, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by Messy

I've always said.... SA-LAH-HA-LAH 'cause I just had no idea how to tackle that word!!

This for Remains of Sahlahja! ;P So much this.

Verene · Feb 28, 2011, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Sasuke (サスケ or 佐助) is a DIFFERENT name than Sousuke (宗介).

And it's nor pronounced 'sas ke'. It's 'sa su ke'. The 'u' in Japanese can sound almost mute in some words and accents, but it's pronounced anyways.

The 'su' sound, though, tends to completely mute the 'u', and the 's' and whatever the next consonant sound run up right against each other. So no, it is actually pronounced as "so-ske". You're only going to hear that 'u' sound in there if you're speaking very slowly (and even then - just barely), but at normal speed it will be silenced.

Malganis · Feb 28, 2011, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

I always call it Remains of Saliva.... because people comming in there are covered in Wurm dribble.

I lost it, laughing my ass off at this one. Thank you for making my Monday.

Tahnnakai Temple = Tanka-Tanka Temple
Nahpui Quarter = Nah-poo-ee Quarter
Palawa Joko = Pah-wall-ah Jock-o I reversed the L and W and have pronounced it that way ever since.
Acolyte Sousuke = Ack-oh-lite Soos-kay

Karate Jesus · Feb 28, 2011, 08:01 PM // 20:01

It's more fun just to mispronounce everything with my Texan accent.

kokuou · Feb 28, 2011, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by Verene

The 'su' sound, though, tends to completely mute the 'u', and the 's' and whatever the next consonant sound run up right against each other. So no, it is actually pronounced as "so-ske". You're only going to hear that 'u' sound in there if you're speaking very slowly (and even then - just barely), but at normal speed it will be silenced.

This is correct (although, if one is speaking very slowly, you'll hear the vowel full-on, not 'just barely'). Linguistically, these are called 'devoiced vowels'. The mouth/lip position and the airflow remain intact, but the vocal cords don't vibrate.
This is due to the vowel falling between two voiceless consonants (t, k, h, s), but only happens with the high vowels (i, u).
If you're learning Japanese, this is a good tip to help your speech sound closer to its native pronunciation.

Addendum: I should mention that the final 'u' in the Japanese copula (desu) and the 'masu' forms of verbs are regularly realized as 'des' and 'mas' regardless of the environment in which they appear.

MithranArkanere · Mar 01, 2011, 11:17 AM // 11:17

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Originally Posted by Verene

The 'su' sound, though, tends to completely mute the 'u', and the 's' and whatever the next consonant sound run up right against each other. So no, it is actually pronounced as "so-ske". You're only going to hear that 'u' sound in there if you're speaking very slowly (and even then - just barely), but at normal speed it will be silenced.

Nope. IT IS pronounced, but it has been dimmed so much that it becomes part of the o. Instead just plain 'o', the o becomes a long o that goes 'down', much like the way English speakers pronounce tha name of the letter 'o'.

That's why you don't notice it. The way Japanese names are written in romaji (latin letters) replaces one sound by one letter.
If you wrote the name of the vowels in Romaji, it would be like this: 'A' would be 'ei', 'E' as 'i', 'I' as 'ai', 'O' would be 'ou' and 'U' as 'iu'.

If the name has an 'u' then the u is pronounced. Japanese has no silent letters like Spanish 'h' or the 'magic e' at the end of many English words.
Sometimes they may sound ALMOST mute for the untrained ears, but they are never actually mute.
Although japanese 'u' sounds like 'oo' in 'boot', it may be much shorter, so short that it can barely be heard.

But that 'o' in 'sousuke is' like the 'o' in 'row' (spoken with American phonology). Just plain o.
And the u gets attached to the end and goes almost mute, making the o longer, and making it sound a bit like the 'o' in 'cold'.

It may be hard to catch, but once you are used to it, you can hear it.

Also, japanese has no final separate consonants.

Even with words that end in 'n', the n is pronounced as a separate syllable.
'Sas-ke' can't exist because of that, because they just can't pronounce that. They don't even have a way to write that. They can write 'sa', 'si', 'su', 'se' and 'so', but not 's' separately.
The 'u' in 'su' may go almost mute, but it will never go completely mute.

So it's 'Sa·su·ke', and it may sound 'saske' to the untrained ear, but it doesn't change that is 'sasuke', not 'saske'.

Verene · Mar 01, 2011, 05:02 PM // 17:02

I've...studied the language, rather extensively. You are incorrect, and my ear is certainly not 'untrained'.

The first 'u' ("sou") is simply one way of writing it in romaji. "Soosuke" or "Sōsuke" are also ways of writing that name in romaji (depending on the kana for it, of course, but 95% of the time that is the case). It's an elongated vowel sound, and 'ou' is often used now because of 'oo' because in English those are two different sounds, and the English 'oo' is not how that should be pronounced.

But the second 'u' sound, in "suke", is not pronounced. A 'u' coming after a 's' is nearly always muted because of the 's' and whatever the next consonant is. I can't find a video of it on youtube, but for example in Evangelion, when Asuka introduces herself, she pronounces her name "Aska", as does everyone else in the anime. Here you hear them say it twice in a row...that 'u' is silent (um, there is some graphic violence in there as well as spoilers for End of Evangelion, which is why I have it cued up to that moment).

It's written as "Sousuke", but it is indeed pronounced "Souske".

Nekodesu · Mar 01, 2011, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Sasuke (サスケ or 佐助) is a DIFFERENT name than Sousuke (宗介).

And it's nor pronounced 'sas ke'. It's 'sa su ke'. The 'u' in Japanese can sound almost mute in some words and accents, but it's pronounced anyways.

Yes, and when they say them, they say sas ske(Sasuke) and sos ske(sousuke). Atleasts thats what I've heard when talking to japanese or heard it in anime or other.

Also, how you write it in romanji when trying to write how to pronounce it doesn't change the fact that you almost never hear the U. (Take note that this is the only way I personally can explain how to pronounce something, I don't know those fancy letters for that stuff

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Also... Verene is right

kokuou · Mar 01, 2011, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Nope. IT IS pronounced, but it has been dimmed so much that it becomes part of the o. Instead just plain 'o', the o becomes a long o that goes 'down', much like the way English speakers pronounce tha name of the letter 'o'.

That's why you don't notice it. The way Japanese names are written in romaji (latin letters) replaces one sound by one letter.
If you wrote the name of the vowels in Romaji, it would be like this: 'A' would be 'ei', 'E' as 'i', 'I' as 'ai', 'O' would be 'ou' and 'U' as 'iu'.

If the name has an 'u' then the u is pronounced. Japanese has no silent letters like Spanish 'h' or the 'magic e' at the end of many English words.
Sometimes they may sound ALMOST mute for the untrained ears, but they are never actually mute.
Although japanese 'u' sounds like 'oo' in 'boot', it may be much shorter, so short that it can barely be heard.

But that 'o' in 'sousuke is' like the 'o' in 'row' (spoken with American phonology). Just plain o.
And the u gets attached to the end and goes almost mute, making the o longer, and making it sound a bit like the 'o' in 'cold'.

It may be hard to catch, but once you are used to it, you can hear it.

Also, japanese has no final separate consonants.

Even with words that end in 'n', the n is pronounced as a separate syllable.
'Sas-ke' can't exist because of that, because they just can't pronounce that. They don't even have a way to write that. They can write 'sa', 'si', 'su', 'se' and 'so', but not 's' separately.
The 'u' in 'su' may go almost mute, but it will never go completely mute.

So it's 'Sa·su·ke', and it may sound 'saske' to the untrained ear, but it doesn't change that is 'sasuke', not 'saske'.

I'm fluent in Japanese (I translate from Japanese to English for a living), and I graduated university with a major in linguistics (the science of language, which includes phonetics, phonology, morphology, etc.).

Like I said above, high vowels (i, u) that fall between voiceless consonants (k, s, t, h) in normal speech become essentially mute. Not barely pronounced or audible, but completely devoiced, which means words like 刺した（さした）[sashita; stabbed] and 救う（すくう） [sukuu; to save] sound like 'sashta' and 'skuu', respectively. Yes, the vowels are retained in the original orthography (the writing), but when spoken, the vocal folds don't vibrate, meaning that the major component of what makes vowels vowels is missing.
In fact, if you try to clearly pronounce every vowel in every word in Japanese, you sound very odd and non-native.

As for long vowels, there is some variation between speakers on how much of the 'u' of a 'ou' sequence is overtly pronounced. With some speakers, you can clearly hear the 'u' at the end, but with the vast majority of speakers, it sounds like 'oo'.
In fact, these two words:

十日（とおか） [tooka; the tenth of a month]
投下（とうか）　[touka; to throw down, to drop]

sound identical when spoken by most people and the only way to differentiate is with context, despite having a different vowel.

Chthon · Mar 01, 2011, 08:56 PM // 20:56

1. Japanese:

1.A. Re:　こう...,　そう...,　とう..., etc. If you want to get hyper-technical. The う is a mild う sound. It's not just a longer お sound. The lips do purse more as the sound draws on.

1.B. すけ. Ok, yeah, it's "ske." You'll never find a Japanese who will admit they do it, but they do totally drop the う.

2. Let's try to drop the technical linguistics questions and get back to focusing on silly names in GW, mmm'K?

IamI · Mar 01, 2011, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Some Grawl names are just impossible. Or I'd like to believe they are.

Fozzy Yeoryios
Gougi Gakula
Sakalo Yawpyawl

One I've been wondering about is Kanaxai.

Kah-nahk-sai? Kah-nah-shai? Ai as in the word 'high', by the way.